{"id":2524,"date":"2020-01-15T18:49:38","date_gmt":"2020-01-15T16:49:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mimiryudo.com\/blog\/?p=2524"},"modified":"2020-01-15T18:51:06","modified_gmt":"2020-01-15T16:51:06","slug":"les-mutuelles-qui-ne-jouent-pas-le-jeu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.mimiryudo.com\/blog\/2020\/01\/les-mutuelles-qui-ne-jouent-pas-le-jeu\/","title":{"rendered":"Les mutuelles qui ne jouent pas le jeu&#8230; #MutuelleDuPapier"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Les m\u00e9decins et patients sont invit\u00e9s par les mutuelles \u00e0 faire des \u00ab\u00a0tiers-payant\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\n<div id=\"magicdomid5\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">Il existe deux fa\u00e7ons pour un m\u00e9decin de faire un tiers payant pour une consultation \u00e0 25\u20ac :\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid6\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 &#8211; TP AMO : la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale donne les 70 % (17,5\u20ac) directement au m\u00e9decin, le patient avance 7,50\u20ac qui sont rembours\u00e9s par la mutuelle<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid7\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 &#8211; TP AMO + AMC (tiers payant int\u00e9gral) : la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale et la mutuelle donnent les 25\u20ac au m\u00e9decin. Peu de m\u00e9decins le font, \u00e0 raison&#8230;\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid8\" class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid9\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">Lorsque nous faisons un TP AMO au moyen d&rsquo;une feuille de soins \u00e9lectronique (avec la carte vitale), la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale transmet \u00e0 la mutuelle la facture.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid10\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">Certaines mutuelles comprennent tr\u00e8s bien, et remboursent directement le patient (TP AMO) ou le m\u00e9decin (TP AMO + AMC) : elles comprennent tellement bien qu&rsquo;on peut alterner l&rsquo;un et l&rsquo;autre sans erreur.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid11\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">Par contre, <strong>d&rsquo;autres mutuelles, disposant des m\u00eames informations, ne remboursent personne tant qu&rsquo;elles n&rsquo;ont pas re\u00e7u de factures<\/strong> (un papier totalement falsifiable et sans valeur, soyons clairs). Il est difficile de savoir s&rsquo;il s&rsquo;agit d&rsquo;un vrai proc\u00e9d\u00e9 malhonn\u00eate, d&rsquo;une pr\u00e9caution parano\u00efaque ou d&rsquo;une simple incomp\u00e9tence, et nous ne sommes pas l\u00e0 pour juger. N\u00e9anmoins, tout \u00e7a est g\u00eanant. Surtout que ces mutuelles savent envoyer des petites cartes \u00ab\u00a0tiers payant\u00a0\u00bb mais oublient s\u00fbrement de pr\u00e9venir par courrier que \u00ab\u00a0ah au fait, tiers payant mais on ne vous remboursera que si on a la preuve infalsiable par la feuille de soins \u00e9lectronique, suivie d&rsquo;un courrier avec une feuille A4 o\u00f9 le m\u00e9decin a imprim\u00e9 le montant de la facturation\u00a0\u00bb. Mais, encore une fois, nous ne sommes pas l\u00e0 pour juger.<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid12\" class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid13\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">Nous pouvons en parler sur Twitter (avec #MutuelleDuPapier, #M\u00e9decinAdministratif ou #BalanceTaMutuelleQuiRemboursePasSaufAvecUneFacturePapier ou tout ce que vous voulez&#8230;), ou en parler ici.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid14\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">En tout cas, afin d&rsquo;informer justement les patients (et m\u00e9decins) sur quelles mutuelles r\u00e9clament ces factures, et quelles mutuelles sont comp\u00e9tentes pour g\u00e9rer \u00e7a depuis la feuille de soins \u00e9lectronique, je vous propose de s\u00e9parer les mutuelles sur ce crit\u00e8re, en sour\u00e7ant.<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid15\" class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">J&rsquo;avais fait \u00e7a sur\u00a0https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/MutuellesFactures mais malheureusement, l&rsquo;Etherpad a disparu dans les limbes de l&rsquo;internet (et le web ne conserve pas de traces des Etherpad <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/*\/https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/MutuellesFactures\/*\">visiblement<\/a>). Donc si vous voulez, vous pouvez ajouter en commentaire et je mettrai \u00e0 jour.<\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid16\" class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid17\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb b\"><b>MUTUELLES QUI REMBOURSENT DEPUIS LA FEUILLE \u00c9LECTRONIQUE\u00a0<\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid18\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">&#8211; Apreva : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb url\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.apreva.fr\/\">https:\/\/www.apreva.fr<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\"> (6 avril 2018, @mimiryudo)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid19\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">&#8211; MNH : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb url\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mnh.fr\/index.html\">https:\/\/www.mnh.fr\/index.html<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\"> (6 avril 2018, @mimiryudo)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid20\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">&#8211; G\u00e9n\u00e9ration : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb url\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.generation.fr\/\">https:\/\/www.generation.fr<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\"> (6 avril 2018, @mimiryudo)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid21\" class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid22\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb b\"><b>MUTUELLES QUI NE REMBOURSENT QU&rsquo;AVEC UNE FACTURE PAPIER QUI LEUR EST TRANSMISE<\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid23\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">&#8211; CGAM : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb url\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cgam.fr\/\">http:\/\/cgam.fr\/<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\"> (5 avril 2018, @mimiryudo)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid24\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\">&#8211; GSMC : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb url\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mutuelle-gsmc.fr\/home\">http:\/\/www.mutuelle-gsmc.fr\/home<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z74zz82zz88zpbf1z85zp7z122zz78zz78zz89zz66zb\"> (5 avril 2018, @mimiryudo)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid25\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z72zf0o3z68zfrz80zjz71z1z76ztqr\">&#8211; HUMANIS\u00a0 : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z72zf0o3z68zfrz80zjz71z1z76ztqr url\"><a href=\"https:\/\/humanis.com\/\">https:\/\/humanis.com<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z72zf0o3z68zfrz80zjz71z1z76ztqr\"> (6 avril 2018, @Louismaiso)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"magicdomid26\" class=\"\"><span class=\"author-a-z80zk6z88zz71z5juz77zjz80zz85zz78zsz72zz77z\">-BE\/ALMERYS : <\/span><span class=\"author-a-z80zk6z88zz71z5juz77zjz80zz85zz78zsz72zz77z url\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.be-almerys.com\/\">https:\/\/www.be-almerys.com\/<\/a><\/span><span class=\"author-a-z80zk6z88zz71z5juz77zjz80zz85zz78zsz72zz77z\"> ( 18 avril 2018 @doclafrite90)\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<!-- templates\/buttons-placeholder.php -->\n<div class=\"da-reactions-outer TpostID2524\">\n\t    <div class=\"da-reactions-data da-reactions-container-async center\"\n         data-type=\"post\"\n         data-id=\"2524\"\n         id=\"da-reactions-slot-post-2524\">\n        <div class=\"da-reactions-exposed\">\n\t\t\t<img src=\"https:\/\/www.mimiryudo.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/da-reactions\/assets\/dist\/loading.svg\" alt=\"Loading spinner\" width=\"64\" height=\"64\" style=\"width:64px\" \/>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les m\u00e9decins et patients sont invit\u00e9s par les mutuelles \u00e0 faire des \u00ab\u00a0tiers-payant\u00a0\u00bb. 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